1 00:00:01,839 --> 00:00:07,110 hey 2 00:00:23,700 --> 00:00:08,560 [Applause] 3 00:00:23,710 --> 00:00:27,750 [Music] 4 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:33,800 off in my time machine 5 00:00:33,810 --> 00:00:37,430 [Music] 6 00:00:44,229 --> 00:00:41,350 blast off on another epic episode of the 7 00:00:46,310 --> 00:00:44,239 hyper anomalous esoteric research 8 00:00:48,389 --> 00:00:46,320 organization podcast 9 00:00:50,389 --> 00:00:48,399 hero paranormal 10 00:00:54,229 --> 00:00:50,399 that's what hero stands for we are 11 00:00:56,790 --> 00:00:54,239 broadcasting just south of the utah ufo 12 00:00:58,549 --> 00:00:56,800 ranch in the heart of the uintah basin 13 00:01:01,349 --> 00:00:58,559 my name is ryan 14 00:01:02,709 --> 00:01:01,359 the philosophical pontificator of the 15 00:01:03,830 --> 00:01:02,719 paranormal 16 00:01:06,870 --> 00:01:03,840 and 17 00:01:09,990 --> 00:01:06,880 anomalous ambassador of the airwaves 18 00:01:13,750 --> 00:01:10,000 bringing you an epic episode today we 19 00:01:16,149 --> 00:01:13,760 have gregory little his recent book 20 00:01:18,429 --> 00:01:16,159 origins of the gods delves into 21 00:01:21,270 --> 00:01:18,439 skinwalkers and contact with 22 00:01:23,510 --> 00:01:21,280 trans-dimensional intelligences leaving 23 00:01:25,350 --> 00:01:23,520 no stone unturned 24 00:01:27,990 --> 00:01:25,360 he goes into it all 25 00:01:30,710 --> 00:01:28,000 exploring how our ancestors used 26 00:01:33,429 --> 00:01:30,720 shamanic rituals at sacred sites to 27 00:01:36,230 --> 00:01:33,439 create portals for communication 28 00:01:38,230 --> 00:01:36,240 with non-human intelligences 29 00:01:40,149 --> 00:01:38,240 he shares supporting evidence from the 30 00:01:43,190 --> 00:01:40,159 spiritual and shamanic beliefs of more 31 00:01:45,670 --> 00:01:43,200 than 100 native american tribes 32 00:01:47,670 --> 00:01:45,680 he shows how the earliest forms of 33 00:01:50,230 --> 00:01:47,680 shamanism began 34 00:01:52,469 --> 00:01:50,240 at sites in israel more than four 35 00:01:55,190 --> 00:01:52,479 hundred thousand years ago 36 00:01:58,069 --> 00:01:55,200 from gobeglytepi in turkey to the 37 00:02:00,789 --> 00:01:58,079 egyptian pyramids from the stone circles 38 00:02:02,550 --> 00:02:00,799 of europe to the mound complexes of the 39 00:02:05,429 --> 00:02:02,560 americas 40 00:02:07,830 --> 00:02:05,439 gregory little shows how again and again 41 00:02:10,630 --> 00:02:07,840 our ancestors built permanent sites of 42 00:02:13,270 --> 00:02:10,640 ceremonial activity where geomagnetic 43 00:02:14,790 --> 00:02:13,280 and gravitational anomalies have been 44 00:02:16,869 --> 00:02:14,800 recorded 45 00:02:19,750 --> 00:02:16,879 he along with his co-author andrew 46 00:02:23,589 --> 00:02:19,760 collins have done a ton of research and 47 00:02:26,470 --> 00:02:23,599 i can't wait to get into it all 48 00:02:29,030 --> 00:02:26,480 ultimately collins and little show how 49 00:02:31,830 --> 00:02:29,040 our modern disconnection from nature and 50 00:02:34,110 --> 00:02:31,840 lack of a fully visible night sky 51 00:02:36,309 --> 00:02:34,120 make the manifestations from these 52 00:02:37,430 --> 00:02:36,319 ultra-terrestrial intelligences seem 53 00:02:39,750 --> 00:02:37,440 random 54 00:02:42,390 --> 00:02:39,760 if we can restore our spiritual 55 00:02:44,390 --> 00:02:42,400 connections perhaps we can once again 56 00:02:47,030 --> 00:02:44,400 communicate with the higher dimensional 57 00:02:48,830 --> 00:02:47,040 beings who triggered the advancements of 58 00:02:51,830 --> 00:02:48,840 our earliest 59 00:02:55,270 --> 00:02:51,840 ancestors and for those who want more 60 00:02:59,110 --> 00:02:55,280 hero paranormal podcast be sure to join 61 00:03:00,390 --> 00:02:59,120 our patreon we are on patreon at hero 62 00:03:02,550 --> 00:03:00,400 paranormal 63 00:03:05,350 --> 00:03:02,560 you can also get 64 00:03:07,910 --> 00:03:05,360 there is also a ton of content 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you down this 81 00:03:50,550 --> 00:03:48,000 pathway of um investigating and 82 00:03:51,589 --> 00:03:50,560 documenting and writing about uh 83 00:03:53,990 --> 00:03:51,599 the 84 00:03:56,390 --> 00:03:54,000 fringe areas that you've decided to 85 00:04:00,710 --> 00:03:56,400 write about 86 00:04:03,350 --> 00:04:00,720 uh well it's i am 72 years old close to 87 00:04:06,550 --> 00:04:03,360 73 so i've been doing this a long long 88 00:04:09,750 --> 00:04:06,560 time and i can trace back to 89 00:04:11,910 --> 00:04:09,760 actually the 1960s my family moved to 90 00:04:14,149 --> 00:04:11,920 huntsville alabama 91 00:04:16,469 --> 00:04:14,159 right after john john f kennedy was 92 00:04:18,390 --> 00:04:16,479 assassinated and my father went to work 93 00:04:20,789 --> 00:04:18,400 at redstone arsenal 94 00:04:24,950 --> 00:04:20,799 uh when in the early space program and 95 00:04:27,830 --> 00:04:24,960 that was like 1964 63 64 when we were 96 00:04:29,110 --> 00:04:27,840 there and i got interested in ufos then 97 00:04:30,310 --> 00:04:29,120 and it 98 00:04:32,070 --> 00:04:30,320 really that 99 00:04:34,150 --> 00:04:32,080 kept me interested 100 00:04:36,550 --> 00:04:34,160 pretty much to the current day so that 101 00:04:38,870 --> 00:04:36,560 was really the start of it i had college 102 00:04:40,870 --> 00:04:38,880 professors that were really into it too 103 00:04:43,189 --> 00:04:40,880 major professor 104 00:04:45,270 --> 00:04:43,199 and a psychologist and a psychiatrist 105 00:04:47,430 --> 00:04:45,280 husband and wife team got me to go with 106 00:04:49,430 --> 00:04:47,440 them to a lot of so-called psychic 107 00:04:51,670 --> 00:04:49,440 events and so on so 108 00:04:53,670 --> 00:04:51,680 that's kind of the start of it uh and 109 00:04:55,909 --> 00:04:53,680 it's led here along the way we've done a 110 00:04:59,030 --> 00:04:55,919 whole lot been a lot of places and seen 111 00:05:01,990 --> 00:04:59,040 a lot of things i bet that's my start 112 00:05:03,270 --> 00:05:02,000 yeah it's amazing it's such a mysterious 113 00:05:05,430 --> 00:05:03,280 uh 114 00:05:07,350 --> 00:05:05,440 synchronicity that we got together i i 115 00:05:09,270 --> 00:05:07,360 am aware of your first book the 116 00:05:11,590 --> 00:05:09,280 archetype experience is that was that 117 00:05:13,350 --> 00:05:11,600 the first book am i correct 118 00:05:18,469 --> 00:05:13,360 yeah you are correct that was my very 119 00:05:24,870 --> 00:05:21,749 and that it i really like the uh the 120 00:05:27,270 --> 00:05:24,880 title the archetype experience because 121 00:05:30,310 --> 00:05:27,280 it really kind of goes into 122 00:05:32,710 --> 00:05:30,320 areas that other people tend to 123 00:05:34,950 --> 00:05:32,720 avoid which is 124 00:05:36,390 --> 00:05:34,960 resolving the whole situation and the 125 00:05:38,629 --> 00:05:36,400 experience and i like how you use the 126 00:05:40,950 --> 00:05:38,639 word archetype how did you come across 127 00:05:42,790 --> 00:05:40,960 using that title and could you tell our 128 00:05:43,990 --> 00:05:42,800 listeners a little bit about that first 129 00:05:46,390 --> 00:05:44,000 book 130 00:05:48,629 --> 00:05:46,400 okay well i have actually updated well i 131 00:05:50,710 --> 00:05:48,639 haven't updated we have reprinted that 132 00:05:52,230 --> 00:05:50,720 book exactly as it was originally 133 00:05:54,070 --> 00:05:52,240 printed but i've added a lot of new 134 00:05:55,350 --> 00:05:54,080 material to it 135 00:05:57,350 --> 00:05:55,360 so 136 00:06:01,270 --> 00:05:57,360 how it was 137 00:06:02,950 --> 00:06:01,280 a follow-up to carl young's 138 00:06:07,749 --> 00:06:02,960 last book 139 00:06:09,749 --> 00:06:07,759 the united states in 1961 it came out in 140 00:06:12,870 --> 00:06:09,759 europe in 1959 141 00:06:15,189 --> 00:06:12,880 it was entitled 142 00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:15,199 are we still here yes sir 143 00:06:18,150 --> 00:06:16,720 okay i don't know what what just 144 00:06:20,710 --> 00:06:18,160 happened something on my screen just 145 00:06:24,309 --> 00:06:20,720 happened anyway young's last book was 146 00:06:27,189 --> 00:06:24,319 called flying saucers a modern myth of 147 00:06:29,430 --> 00:06:27,199 things seen in the skies and in that 148 00:06:30,629 --> 00:06:29,440 book he talked about archetypes he 149 00:06:32,390 --> 00:06:30,639 talked about 150 00:06:35,189 --> 00:06:32,400 how there was one archetype in 151 00:06:38,469 --> 00:06:35,199 particular it's called the mandala 152 00:06:41,430 --> 00:06:38,479 it is a round shape how people were 153 00:06:43,510 --> 00:06:41,440 seeing ufos at the time and seeing disc 154 00:06:46,230 --> 00:06:43,520 shaped objects which jung 155 00:06:49,990 --> 00:06:46,240 thought was a mandala and that they were 156 00:06:52,070 --> 00:06:50,000 projecting a certain meaning onto it in 157 00:06:54,150 --> 00:06:52,080 other words people go outside they see 158 00:06:56,550 --> 00:06:54,160 something they don't know what it is and 159 00:07:00,309 --> 00:06:56,560 an exact quote from jung was something 160 00:07:02,629 --> 00:07:00,319 is seen one doesn't know what so they 161 00:07:05,350 --> 00:07:02,639 saw these things in the sky and then a 162 00:07:08,070 --> 00:07:05,360 meaning is projected onto them out of 163 00:07:09,830 --> 00:07:08,080 our own belief system or our unconscious 164 00:07:12,870 --> 00:07:09,840 and young believed those meanings were 165 00:07:15,469 --> 00:07:12,880 archetypes archetypes are well they're 166 00:07:17,350 --> 00:07:15,479 usually symbolic 167 00:07:18,950 --> 00:07:17,360 psychological 168 00:07:20,790 --> 00:07:18,960 objects 169 00:07:24,230 --> 00:07:20,800 they are 170 00:07:26,230 --> 00:07:24,240 drawings often of opposites the yin-yang 171 00:07:29,029 --> 00:07:26,240 symbol is an archetype 172 00:07:31,189 --> 00:07:29,039 there are archetypes in literature such 173 00:07:32,230 --> 00:07:31,199 as hero and villain 174 00:07:34,550 --> 00:07:32,240 uh 175 00:07:36,230 --> 00:07:34,560 angel and demon those are archetypes 176 00:07:38,309 --> 00:07:36,240 usually in opposites 177 00:07:39,990 --> 00:07:38,319 but there is one called the mandala that 178 00:07:41,990 --> 00:07:40,000 is the whole 179 00:07:42,870 --> 00:07:42,000 and that got me into the native american 180 00:07:45,029 --> 00:07:42,880 stuff 181 00:07:47,350 --> 00:07:45,039 because it related to their idea of a 182 00:07:50,869 --> 00:07:47,360 singularity and so on but really that's 183 00:07:52,869 --> 00:07:50,879 young's term and archetypes exist both 184 00:07:54,390 --> 00:07:52,879 in our 185 00:07:56,629 --> 00:07:54,400 unconscious 186 00:07:59,350 --> 00:07:56,639 they appear to be according to jung 187 00:08:01,990 --> 00:07:59,360 built in they're already in us and we 188 00:08:04,950 --> 00:08:02,000 have certain meanings with them so that 189 00:08:06,309 --> 00:08:04,960 when we encounter archetypes out in the 190 00:08:09,270 --> 00:08:06,319 real world 191 00:08:11,749 --> 00:08:09,280 the meaning that we have attached to 192 00:08:13,350 --> 00:08:11,759 that symbol emerges into our 193 00:08:16,070 --> 00:08:13,360 consciousness 194 00:08:17,270 --> 00:08:16,080 but according to jung archetypes are 195 00:08:20,469 --> 00:08:17,280 also 196 00:08:23,110 --> 00:08:20,479 from time to time physically real 197 00:08:24,869 --> 00:08:23,120 so that's a whole nother story there but 198 00:08:27,510 --> 00:08:24,879 that's where the term came from it was 199 00:08:28,790 --> 00:08:27,520 uh it was carl young who made it popular 200 00:08:31,029 --> 00:08:28,800 he didn't come up with the word of 201 00:08:31,830 --> 00:08:31,039 course but anyway that's where it comes 202 00:08:33,509 --> 00:08:31,840 from 203 00:08:35,670 --> 00:08:33,519 so the idea with the archetype 204 00:08:39,029 --> 00:08:35,680 experience is that 205 00:08:40,389 --> 00:08:39,039 when you experience a ufo or an 206 00:08:44,389 --> 00:08:40,399 abduction 207 00:08:47,030 --> 00:08:44,399 or a powerful paranormal experience 208 00:08:49,509 --> 00:08:47,040 you are actually interacting with an 209 00:08:52,949 --> 00:08:49,519 archetype that's what you're doing and 210 00:08:54,389 --> 00:08:52,959 it means more than just a psychological 211 00:08:56,150 --> 00:08:54,399 thing it's not just 212 00:08:58,389 --> 00:08:56,160 all in your head there's something else 213 00:09:00,949 --> 00:08:58,399 going on too so that's where the term 214 00:09:04,070 --> 00:09:00,959 the archetype experience came from 215 00:09:09,030 --> 00:09:04,080 i find this so mesmerizing and 216 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:09,040 it's so relevant to an area that really 217 00:09:14,150 --> 00:09:10,560 interests me 218 00:09:16,070 --> 00:09:14,160 which is the uinta basin of utah and 219 00:09:18,550 --> 00:09:16,080 there were a couple of authors they've 220 00:09:20,310 --> 00:09:18,560 both since passed and they were 221 00:09:22,630 --> 00:09:20,320 researchers and investigators and 222 00:09:26,710 --> 00:09:22,640 authors and they had a book called the 223 00:09:29,030 --> 00:09:26,720 utah ufo display they were both um 224 00:09:31,750 --> 00:09:29,040 religiously inclined and they were under 225 00:09:34,150 --> 00:09:31,760 the impression that 226 00:09:35,670 --> 00:09:34,160 when someone observes this as you 227 00:09:36,790 --> 00:09:35,680 mentioned there is some kind of a 228 00:09:40,070 --> 00:09:36,800 connection 229 00:09:42,070 --> 00:09:40,080 and there is some sort of a spiritual 230 00:09:44,630 --> 00:09:42,080 ism that takes place some kind of 231 00:09:46,870 --> 00:09:44,640 spiritualism takes place 232 00:09:47,829 --> 00:09:46,880 with this paranormal phenomena 233 00:09:51,750 --> 00:09:47,839 and 234 00:09:54,870 --> 00:09:51,760 i find that is very relevant uh to your 235 00:09:56,710 --> 00:09:54,880 work as well and that i share that view 236 00:09:59,430 --> 00:09:56,720 so i find that you know with 237 00:10:01,750 --> 00:09:59,440 a lot of the modern tv shows 238 00:10:03,590 --> 00:10:01,760 and a lot of the 239 00:10:05,829 --> 00:10:03,600 science being thrown at these things 240 00:10:08,790 --> 00:10:05,839 everything is kind of being 241 00:10:12,550 --> 00:10:08,800 put in this nuts-and-bolt box 242 00:10:14,630 --> 00:10:12,560 and um i'm not exactly sure if it all 243 00:10:16,230 --> 00:10:14,640 fits in that box 244 00:10:20,150 --> 00:10:16,240 and it doesn't 245 00:10:21,670 --> 00:10:20,160 it's interesting isn't it yeah yeah 246 00:10:22,949 --> 00:10:21,680 well i'll let you go ahead finish that 247 00:10:25,430 --> 00:10:22,959 you can finish your thought there if you 248 00:10:28,150 --> 00:10:25,440 will of course and you have written 249 00:10:30,389 --> 00:10:28,160 other books um that have come out that 250 00:10:31,590 --> 00:10:30,399 are also delving into the same subject 251 00:10:34,069 --> 00:10:31,600 matter 252 00:10:37,509 --> 00:10:34,079 and i wanted to ask you about those as 253 00:10:39,269 --> 00:10:37,519 well uh origins of the gods 254 00:10:43,990 --> 00:10:39,279 and um 255 00:10:47,990 --> 00:10:44,000 that book is it very reminiscent of 256 00:10:49,910 --> 00:10:48,000 some of the uh well it draws in a lot of 257 00:10:51,269 --> 00:10:49,920 a lot of interesting 258 00:10:54,550 --> 00:10:51,279 historical 259 00:10:58,829 --> 00:10:54,560 things like uh gobegli tepe 260 00:11:00,710 --> 00:10:58,839 uh egypt it goes it goes into 261 00:11:03,110 --> 00:11:00,720 um 262 00:11:05,590 --> 00:11:03,120 interesting areas across the world 263 00:11:07,590 --> 00:11:05,600 what brought you to 264 00:11:10,069 --> 00:11:07,600 kind of write this book and i know that 265 00:11:12,630 --> 00:11:10,079 you co-authored it but i also find that 266 00:11:15,269 --> 00:11:12,640 this is a fascinating book you've been 267 00:11:17,030 --> 00:11:15,279 the author of over 15 books so it's it's 268 00:11:18,230 --> 00:11:17,040 challenging to ask you a question about 269 00:11:21,350 --> 00:11:18,240 just one 270 00:11:24,069 --> 00:11:21,360 but it i like that it goes into uh a lot 271 00:11:26,870 --> 00:11:24,079 of areas that people don't 272 00:11:29,910 --> 00:11:26,880 delve into like giants and and things of 273 00:11:31,430 --> 00:11:29,920 that nature what brought you and uh mr 274 00:11:33,750 --> 00:11:31,440 collins to 275 00:11:36,150 --> 00:11:33,760 co-author this book 276 00:11:37,829 --> 00:11:36,160 well andrew collins who's british in 277 00:11:40,310 --> 00:11:37,839 case people don't know who he is andrew 278 00:11:42,230 --> 00:11:40,320 collins is a british author been around 279 00:11:44,150 --> 00:11:42,240 basically for as long as i have in 280 00:11:47,829 --> 00:11:44,160 writing as long as i have 281 00:11:49,829 --> 00:11:47,839 uh he is on the show ancient aliens uh 282 00:11:52,389 --> 00:11:49,839 most episodes he'll make an appearance 283 00:11:53,269 --> 00:11:52,399 or two in it he's also on the show with 284 00:11:55,430 --> 00:11:53,279 uh 285 00:11:57,509 --> 00:11:55,440 william shatner called the unexplained 286 00:12:00,310 --> 00:11:57,519 and several other documentaries a lot of 287 00:12:02,790 --> 00:12:00,320 different ones so he shows up on them 288 00:12:06,470 --> 00:12:02,800 uh andrew and i have been friends since 289 00:12:08,949 --> 00:12:06,480 2000 the year 2000 so it's been 22 years 290 00:12:11,509 --> 00:12:08,959 and we shared the same interests we were 291 00:12:14,470 --> 00:12:11,519 both interested in atlantis 292 00:12:16,629 --> 00:12:14,480 uh he got involved in our search for 293 00:12:18,389 --> 00:12:16,639 atlantis project with the kate edgar 294 00:12:21,269 --> 00:12:18,399 casey organization 295 00:12:22,310 --> 00:12:21,279 uh andrew and i co started co-authoring 296 00:12:26,350 --> 00:12:22,320 together 297 00:12:29,750 --> 00:12:26,360 quite a while actually uh 2012 and then 298 00:12:32,230 --> 00:12:29,760 2014 we had a book coming out or had one 299 00:12:33,110 --> 00:12:32,240 that came out called um 300 00:12:36,230 --> 00:12:33,120 gosh 301 00:12:37,670 --> 00:12:36,240 the path of souls i kind of forget i got 302 00:12:39,509 --> 00:12:37,680 so many of them out there i can't 303 00:12:41,509 --> 00:12:39,519 remember the titles 304 00:12:45,430 --> 00:12:41,519 but anyway andrew and i had done another 305 00:12:46,870 --> 00:12:45,440 one together in 2019 called denisovan 306 00:12:49,990 --> 00:12:46,880 origins 307 00:12:53,190 --> 00:12:50,000 which was about the denisovans which is 308 00:12:54,389 --> 00:12:53,200 a branch of humanity that went extinct 309 00:12:57,910 --> 00:12:54,399 probably 310 00:13:00,389 --> 00:12:57,920 40 000 years ago or so 311 00:13:02,790 --> 00:13:00,399 maybe not quite that long ago most of us 312 00:13:05,269 --> 00:13:02,800 carry denisoven dna in us along with 313 00:13:08,389 --> 00:13:05,279 neanderthal dna 314 00:13:10,949 --> 00:13:08,399 the denisovans are related to the giants 315 00:13:13,269 --> 00:13:10,959 of you know mythology you hear a lot 316 00:13:16,389 --> 00:13:13,279 about giants uh andrew and i both 317 00:13:19,110 --> 00:13:16,399 believe it's the denisovans so this book 318 00:13:21,190 --> 00:13:19,120 the new one origins of the gods andrew 319 00:13:24,069 --> 00:13:21,200 and i wanted to do because we were 320 00:13:27,030 --> 00:13:24,079 actually wanting to 321 00:13:30,150 --> 00:13:27,040 summarize all of our work 322 00:13:31,829 --> 00:13:30,160 in the field of ufos 323 00:13:34,629 --> 00:13:31,839 the paranormal 324 00:13:36,629 --> 00:13:34,639 ancient aliens you name it we wanted to 325 00:13:38,550 --> 00:13:36,639 cover it all 326 00:13:40,949 --> 00:13:38,560 and just summarize everything that we 327 00:13:43,269 --> 00:13:40,959 had said up to that time and then add 328 00:13:45,269 --> 00:13:43,279 whatever we needed to add to it so 329 00:13:47,990 --> 00:13:45,279 that's where that book's coming from it 330 00:13:50,470 --> 00:13:48,000 is kind of a different theory about the 331 00:13:53,110 --> 00:13:50,480 whole field of the paranormal 332 00:13:55,750 --> 00:13:53,120 there when i say it's different we 333 00:13:58,230 --> 00:13:55,760 borrow from many people who we always 334 00:14:01,829 --> 00:13:58,240 reference and talk about what they came 335 00:14:04,710 --> 00:14:01,839 up with everybody from john keel 336 00:14:08,230 --> 00:14:04,720 carl jung is a good example 337 00:14:10,470 --> 00:14:08,240 andrew pulls from like hillary evans in 338 00:14:12,629 --> 00:14:10,480 england several of the others that are 339 00:14:14,629 --> 00:14:12,639 big british authors 340 00:14:16,870 --> 00:14:14,639 but we wanted to come up with a summary 341 00:14:17,829 --> 00:14:16,880 of it all and that's what we did that is 342 00:14:20,710 --> 00:14:17,839 what 343 00:14:23,350 --> 00:14:20,720 the book origins of the gods is about i 344 00:14:24,750 --> 00:14:23,360 summarized it with what i call time 345 00:14:26,470 --> 00:14:24,760 beings 346 00:14:29,350 --> 00:14:26,480 t-i-i-m-e 347 00:14:31,670 --> 00:14:29,360 andrew uh takes it a bit further he goes 348 00:14:33,110 --> 00:14:31,680 into some interdimensional stuff and 349 00:14:36,550 --> 00:14:33,120 calls them 350 00:14:38,870 --> 00:14:36,560 n beings and meaning little n and it's 351 00:14:40,870 --> 00:14:38,880 it simply means that we don't really 352 00:14:43,509 --> 00:14:40,880 know the number of them they could be 353 00:14:46,150 --> 00:14:43,519 any number it could just be one 354 00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:46,160 or it could be a countless number 355 00:14:51,110 --> 00:14:48,480 but anyway that's that's what we decided 356 00:14:53,590 --> 00:14:51,120 to do we actually sent it in the book 357 00:14:55,910 --> 00:14:53,600 was done a couple years ago 358 00:14:58,710 --> 00:14:55,920 but because of the pandemic it's taken 359 00:15:00,710 --> 00:14:58,720 quite a while about almost two years for 360 00:15:02,389 --> 00:15:00,720 it to actually get out into print into 361 00:15:03,990 --> 00:15:02,399 bookstores and so on so it's been out 362 00:15:05,189 --> 00:15:04,000 for four or five months i believe in 363 00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:05,199 total 364 00:15:09,189 --> 00:15:07,120 yeah it's quite the book the way it 365 00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:09,199 brings together the ultra-terrestrial 366 00:15:14,629 --> 00:15:10,959 intelligences and 367 00:15:17,430 --> 00:15:14,639 very fascinating for me because um i own 368 00:15:19,430 --> 00:15:17,440 a property a base camp of sorts called 369 00:15:21,509 --> 00:15:19,440 space wolf research 370 00:15:24,550 --> 00:15:21,519 which is just south it shares its 371 00:15:27,829 --> 00:15:24,560 adjacent on the south border 372 00:15:29,829 --> 00:15:27,839 of the uh ranch in utah which is 373 00:15:33,430 --> 00:15:29,839 mentioned in your book 374 00:15:36,790 --> 00:15:33,440 and it really goes into how 375 00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:36,800 these portals create a method of contact 376 00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:38,720 for otherworldly realms 377 00:15:44,150 --> 00:15:41,360 and i really like that you use the term 378 00:15:45,189 --> 00:15:44,160 shamanic trans-dimensional porters 379 00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:45,199 portals 380 00:15:49,910 --> 00:15:47,040 are still active and you share vivid 381 00:15:52,150 --> 00:15:49,920 examples um such as the ranch in utah 382 00:15:54,069 --> 00:15:52,160 and bempton in north england could you 383 00:15:56,949 --> 00:15:54,079 tell us a little bit about bempton in 384 00:15:59,430 --> 00:15:56,959 north england this is uh well actually 385 00:16:02,230 --> 00:15:59,440 no that would be andrew andrew i have 386 00:16:05,350 --> 00:16:02,240 been there uh we actually andrew and i 387 00:16:07,590 --> 00:16:05,360 and my wife uh went on a trip through 388 00:16:09,509 --> 00:16:07,600 england uh driving trip 389 00:16:11,749 --> 00:16:09,519 for about a week and went to all these 390 00:16:14,069 --> 00:16:11,759 sites and filmed a lot of it but it's 391 00:16:16,949 --> 00:16:14,079 all a blur in my mind that's why we 392 00:16:18,790 --> 00:16:16,959 split this up i was the in both of our 393 00:16:21,910 --> 00:16:18,800 books that we've done the last couple 394 00:16:23,430 --> 00:16:21,920 years i've been the person who talked 395 00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:23,440 mostly about 396 00:16:26,870 --> 00:16:25,120 the americas 397 00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:26,880 he talked about the rest of the world 398 00:16:30,629 --> 00:16:29,040 that is his area but i can certainly 399 00:16:33,749 --> 00:16:30,639 tell you about the area where you're in 400 00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:33,759 and how close are you to say hovenweep 401 00:16:39,590 --> 00:16:36,639 the site of hovenweep in utah not too 402 00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:39,600 far not too far yeah we are actually 403 00:16:44,310 --> 00:16:42,720 just right there at the south border of 404 00:16:46,949 --> 00:16:44,320 the uh old 405 00:16:49,910 --> 00:16:46,959 uh utah ufo ranch there the bigelow 406 00:16:52,790 --> 00:16:49,920 ranch we are adjacent on the south side 407 00:16:54,710 --> 00:16:52,800 so yeah let's go into hoevenweep i you 408 00:16:56,150 --> 00:16:54,720 this is kind of right down my alley i'd 409 00:16:59,110 --> 00:16:56,160 love to hear more 410 00:17:01,910 --> 00:16:59,120 well hoevenweep is where the very page 411 00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:01,920 one of my section the very first page we 412 00:17:06,150 --> 00:17:04,400 started at hovenweep because my wife and 413 00:17:10,309 --> 00:17:06,160 i had been there 414 00:17:11,829 --> 00:17:10,319 31 years before we visited in 2019 again 415 00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:11,839 and it's a place where we really wanted 416 00:17:17,189 --> 00:17:15,280 to go hoven weep is a i've got to use 417 00:17:19,510 --> 00:17:17,199 the word anazi 418 00:17:21,750 --> 00:17:19,520 but just so people understand what i'm 419 00:17:25,590 --> 00:17:21,760 saying so hove and weep are ruins 420 00:17:29,029 --> 00:17:25,600 attributed to the anazi who really are 421 00:17:31,430 --> 00:17:29,039 the ancestral play blowing people 422 00:17:33,990 --> 00:17:31,440 because the play blowing people still 423 00:17:36,150 --> 00:17:34,000 exist and are still out there 424 00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:36,160 the tribes are still there 425 00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:37,600 and some of them really don't like the 426 00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:40,080 term anazi but it's an anazi site it was 427 00:17:46,150 --> 00:17:43,760 abandoned oh somewhere around 1350 or so 428 00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:46,160 and the interesting thing to me about 429 00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:48,000 the most interesting thing 430 00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:50,960 is that like a lot of these puebloan 431 00:17:58,230 --> 00:17:54,480 sites it it has a canyon a very deep 432 00:18:00,230 --> 00:17:58,240 canyon that has sides of maybe 150 feet 433 00:18:02,310 --> 00:18:00,240 going down into the bottom of the canyon 434 00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:02,320 and it's like a box canyon 435 00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:04,320 but at the base 436 00:18:11,110 --> 00:18:07,919 of that canyon at the very bottom of it 437 00:18:14,230 --> 00:18:11,120 they built a stone tower 438 00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:14,240 down in the canyon and it goes up about 439 00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:17,200 35 to 40 feet so it's not coming out of 440 00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:19,679 the canyon so the question that i would 441 00:18:25,430 --> 00:18:23,039 ask you is why would you build a tower 442 00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:25,440 at the base of a canyon 443 00:18:30,390 --> 00:18:27,600 when you're down inside the canyon and 444 00:18:32,549 --> 00:18:30,400 your tower doesn't extend outside of the 445 00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:32,559 canyon why would you do that what is the 446 00:18:36,630 --> 00:18:33,760 point to it 447 00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:36,640 now to some extent that's rhetorical but 448 00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:38,080 do you want to take a shot at what they 449 00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:41,039 were doing you know to me um 450 00:18:44,950 --> 00:18:43,200 being from the outside looking in and 451 00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:44,960 not knowing about their culture it 452 00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:46,960 honestly looks as if it is an 453 00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:49,200 observation point 454 00:18:53,110 --> 00:18:51,440 well it is that it you are correct it is 455 00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:53,120 an observation point 456 00:18:58,710 --> 00:18:56,400 uh they have these little tiny windows 457 00:19:01,029 --> 00:18:58,720 about the size of a brick a modern brick 458 00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:01,039 that's all the bigger these windows are 459 00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:02,880 and they would sit at different areas in 460 00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:04,720 this tower by the way there's no door 461 00:19:08,789 --> 00:19:06,720 into this tower you have to take a 462 00:19:12,150 --> 00:19:08,799 ladder up to the top and go through an 463 00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:12,160 opening at the top down into it 464 00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:14,320 so these were they were observation 465 00:19:18,789 --> 00:19:16,640 towers for the movements of the sun and 466 00:19:20,789 --> 00:19:18,799 the moon and probably some stars 467 00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:20,799 although that's a stars other than the 468 00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:22,960 sun because the sun's a star but that's 469 00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:25,120 a little controversial there but it's a 470 00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:27,120 place where they were doing rituals and 471 00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:30,320 the idea of the rituals is they wanted 472 00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:32,480 to connect themselves 473 00:19:37,029 --> 00:19:36,160 literally to the ground they wanted to 474 00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:37,039 be 475 00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:39,760 grounded and down in deep earth the 476 00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:42,880 further you get down into the deep earth 477 00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:45,360 the more grounded you get and the deeper 478 00:19:50,789 --> 00:19:48,559 these spiritual experiences tend to be 479 00:19:52,549 --> 00:19:50,799 so that's the point it's also like all 480 00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:52,559 the kivas you know you're in an area 481 00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:54,400 where there are many kibas at a lot of 482 00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:57,360 these ruin sites akiva is generally a 483 00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:00,960 round structure that has been sunk into 484 00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:03,679 the ground and they're often about six 485 00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:05,840 eight ten feet deep into the ground 486 00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:07,679 they're circular and people would sit 487 00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:10,799 around on actual dirt you sit on the 488 00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:12,880 dirt and you have bare feet and you put 489 00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:15,440 your bare feet in the dirt and it is a 490 00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:17,840 way to ground yourself i'm using that 491 00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:20,000 term over and over because it is the 492 00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:21,760 term that explains it 493 00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:24,640 they would do that in order to connect 494 00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:27,600 with spiritual energy and the spiritual 495 00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:28,640 world 496 00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:29,440 by 497 00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:32,000 touching and interacting with earth 498 00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:34,240 energy of some kind some kind of earth 499 00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:35,760 energy which andrew and i believe are 500 00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:37,919 plasmas but you're right that's what the 501 00:20:44,029 --> 00:20:41,200 tower is for my wife and i went back to 502 00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:44,039 that site to try and experience it again 503 00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:47,600 31 years after we were there before 504 00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:49,760 we didn't really spend any time there 505 00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:52,799 and andrew had been to skinwalker ranch 506 00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:55,360 uh andrew was there 507 00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:57,679 oh i i don't remember exactly when it 508 00:21:02,230 --> 00:20:59,520 was when we were doing the book because 509 00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:02,240 he included some of that in the book uh 510 00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:04,000 but but he didn't get to go to hogan we 511 00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:05,840 by the way we're going up there in a 512 00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:08,400 couple months we'll be probably back to 513 00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:09,679 hovenweep 514 00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:11,840 uh in that area in a few months and 515 00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:14,240 andrew mayer may not be with us those 516 00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:16,559 days i'm not sure we're meeting him in 517 00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:19,440 arizona to do some things out there 518 00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:20,720 so anyway 519 00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:23,440 that's kind of a summary of hoevenweep 520 00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:26,640 it's a very large site there's actually 521 00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:29,679 five different portions of it spread out 522 00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:32,400 over miles but that canyon is really 523 00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,039 impressive it is so 524 00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,440 quiet that's one thing that i really 525 00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:39,520 envy you for you're living in an area 526 00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:41,520 where it can be really 527 00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:45,520 really quiet and the skies can be really 528 00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:48,880 really dark so you have a way that you 529 00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:50,320 can connect 530 00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:52,880 to these spiritual forces assuming that 531 00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:54,640 they exist and assuming that they're 532 00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,640 attached to the earth which i believe i 533 00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:58,320 do believe there are there is real 534 00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,120 spiritual energy out there and it is 535 00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:03,120 attached to the earth although it's 536 00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:05,039 everywhere in the universe 537 00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:07,280 and you brought something there oh gosh 538 00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:09,280 yes you've brought so many you're going 539 00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:12,960 right down all the things that i uh 540 00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,520 i'm amazed by and you brought something 541 00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:17,520 up that is very 542 00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,760 very important which is this transient 543 00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:21,760 plasma phenomenon and the belief that 544 00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:23,600 there is an intelligent plasma 545 00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,840 hypothesis of these 546 00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:27,440 anomalies 547 00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:30,159 and i wanted to ask you that 548 00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:31,200 it 549 00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:33,120 what do you believe these luminous 550 00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:34,559 plasma balls 551 00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:38,480 of long duration at low height 552 00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:41,120 these anomalous things that can be 553 00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:43,360 observed with anomalous characteristics 554 00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:44,640 you mentioned you believe they are 555 00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:47,520 plasma i do as well but i wanted to ask 556 00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:50,559 what brought you to that theory 557 00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:52,159 well actually if you look at the 558 00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,440 archetype experience back in 1984 i 559 00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:57,760 wrote a sentence something like this i 560 00:23:03,270 --> 00:23:00,159 strongly suspect that 561 00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,280 uh earth energies involving plasmas are 562 00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:06,000 the key to understanding the 563 00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:07,440 the real 564 00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:10,000 ufo phenomenon so i had this back in 565 00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:11,760 1984 566 00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,919 and that was based upon research 567 00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:17,919 there have been 568 00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:19,039 various 569 00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:20,559 researchers 570 00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:23,039 publishing in the professional 571 00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:24,240 literature 572 00:23:27,630 --> 00:23:25,200 on 573 00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:27,640 the effects of plasmas and 574 00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:30,799 electromagnetic fields on individuals 575 00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:33,679 mental state and experiences so in 576 00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:36,480 particular one professor in canada at 577 00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,039 laurentian university by the name of 578 00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:41,760 michael persinger who i knew by the way 579 00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:44,080 he died a few years ago persinger and i 580 00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:45,919 published in the same journals we 581 00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:48,080 referenced each other we interacted some 582 00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:50,559 because we had similar ideas but 583 00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,279 persinger was doing research 584 00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:56,159 in laboratories with willing college 585 00:23:59,470 --> 00:23:57,200 students 586 00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,480 where he would focus tiny 587 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:01,760 electromagnetic fields in different 588 00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:04,320 areas of individuals brains as they 589 00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:06,400 would sit in a 590 00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:09,360 copper shielded room or a faraday cage 591 00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:12,480 and the experiences these students had 592 00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:13,360 were 593 00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:16,400 interesting in that some of them had a 594 00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,520 typical 595 00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:19,440 ufo sighting 596 00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:21,039 some of them and now they're sitting in 597 00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,880 this tiny little copper room in a 598 00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:24,720 laboratory you got to keep that in mind 599 00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:27,520 so they're reporting that they had a ufo 600 00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:30,240 sighting some of them had abduction 601 00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:31,679 experiences 602 00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:34,480 some of them were visited by the grays 603 00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:35,919 some of them had what would be 604 00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:38,480 considered contact d experiences where 605 00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:39,919 they're not abducted but they're just 606 00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:41,760 meeting an alien and the aliens giving 607 00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:45,120 them information others met angels 608 00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:48,640 some people claim to meet jesus and some 609 00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:51,039 actually claim to meet god 610 00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,919 and by the time it got to that point 611 00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,679 pershinger had developed so he started 612 00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:57,840 in the early 70s doing this and i 613 00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,279 believe he was funded through the 614 00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:01,120 military but that that's all another 615 00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,000 story 616 00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,320 but by the by the time 617 00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:06,400 by the time he got to the aid in the 618 00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:10,880 1980s he had he had put the device into 619 00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:12,080 a helmet 620 00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:13,919 so you could put this helmet over your 621 00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,360 head you didn't have to attach 622 00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,200 electrodes to your brain or anything you 623 00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:19,440 just put this helmet over your head and 624 00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,480 then 625 00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,640 you would sit in this comfortable chair 626 00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:24,720 and they would close it off and then do 627 00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:26,880 the electromagnetic fields on you they 628 00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,240 got to the point where they didn't even 629 00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:30,480 need the helmet but the helmet people 630 00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:33,039 dubbed the god helmet 631 00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,640 and there were several famous 632 00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,480 psychologists came in that were 633 00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:38,640 interviewed and all of this got the 634 00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:41,840 attention of a number of fundamentalist 635 00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,760 groups who then went to laurentian 636 00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:46,080 university picketed the picketed the 637 00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:49,600 university uh forced them to basically 638 00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:51,600 have persinger go into hiding for a 639 00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:52,559 while 640 00:25:55,710 --> 00:25:54,240 but it was pursing her perszinger 641 00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:55,720 developed 642 00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,000 electromagnetic fields that can be 643 00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:00,799 thrown out at a long distance 644 00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:02,480 they can literally 645 00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:05,760 put words into your head 646 00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:08,960 you will hear words spoken through these 647 00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:11,919 you will all you can also 648 00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:14,799 have your choices affected by he did 649 00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:17,360 this really interesting experiment where 650 00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:18,799 students would sit in front of a 651 00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:21,200 computer and they'd be given choices 652 00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:23,600 like three choices one example after 653 00:26:30,350 --> 00:26:26,400 another choose one choose one choose one 654 00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:30,360 and by by focusing specific 655 00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,559 electromagnetic fields 656 00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,320 on the individuals that were making the 657 00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:36,640 choices persinger 658 00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:39,279 could have them choose what he wanted 659 00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:41,039 them to choose 660 00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:43,520 so the electromagnetic fields in all of 661 00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:46,000 his work he got he actually mentioned 662 00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:49,520 plasmas quite a lot in his research he 663 00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,480 did research on some plasma based 664 00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:54,960 apparitional phenomena and he published 665 00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:57,760 all this in scientific journals 666 00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:58,559 so 667 00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:01,440 all of his work and then stumbling upon 668 00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,200 all the military 669 00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:05,360 publications in this government 670 00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:08,720 publications which you can't find online 671 00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:10,880 you can't get them in a regular library 672 00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:15,200 but if you go to a government repository 673 00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:16,960 library 674 00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:19,919 and get access to it you won't find a a 675 00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,080 card catalog or anything you'll have to 676 00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:24,159 walk around and look but there are 677 00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:25,760 journals in there 678 00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,720 military research journals that contain 679 00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,960 a lot of information on this 680 00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:32,880 but i have believed for a long time 681 00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,440 since the 80s early 80s that plasmas 682 00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,120 were the key to this and of course 683 00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,000 plasma has been a dirty word in you in 684 00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:42,960 ufology for a long time when skeptics 685 00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:44,799 said it's just plasmas like ball 686 00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,880 lightning but we're not saying it's just 687 00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:48,720 like ball lightning there's something 688 00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:51,279 far more profound going on 689 00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:53,919 there are more these are not just tiny 690 00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:56,240 little plasmas we're talking about 691 00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:59,360 plasmas being the fourth state of matter 692 00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:01,120 which we probably ought to define in a 693 00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:04,080 minute but anyway we're talking about 694 00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:05,120 very 695 00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:08,640 powerful energy forms that interact with 696 00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:09,600 us 697 00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:12,640 create an electromagnetic shell around 698 00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:14,960 them which i call an interaction sphere 699 00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,720 because when you get inside of that 700 00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:18,960 shell that they form 701 00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:21,200 they begin interacting with you 702 00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:23,679 consciously and pulling information from 703 00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,799 you and i believe that their behavior 704 00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:29,039 and whatever happens after you get in 705 00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:30,799 that interaction shell 706 00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,760 is created by them 707 00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,240 reading your expectations reading your 708 00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:38,720 beliefs and then they conform to it 709 00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:41,440 which sounds really bizarre uh but that 710 00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,279 goes all the that goes on all the time 711 00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:45,600 in real life too we we read other 712 00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,159 people's behavior and then conform hours 713 00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:50,240 to whatever whatever whatever 714 00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,799 information we might get from people so 715 00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:54,640 i'm all over the place there i'll let 716 00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:57,039 you go ahead and get me back on track 717 00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,440 here oh my gosh you may think you're all 718 00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:01,440 over the place but mr little you're 719 00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:03,919 actually right on target 720 00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:04,799 um 721 00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:08,000 at uh space wolf research this base camp 722 00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:11,360 um in utah where we 723 00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,399 basically 724 00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,880 try to interact with these anomalies 725 00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:16,320 we are very 726 00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:19,600 very deeply associated with 727 00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:22,960 and passionately uh involved with 728 00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:25,840 the god helmet and for example the onja 729 00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:28,159 lamp these are things that um are 730 00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,520 utilized 731 00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,919 to kind of make that interaction between 732 00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:33,679 human consciousness and this 733 00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:36,399 trans-dimensional intelligence 734 00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:38,799 and interestingly you also mentioned the 735 00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:42,080 faraday cage which i find is very 736 00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:45,520 remarkable uh we have placed a just a 737 00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:48,399 simple steel container a 40-foot 738 00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:51,279 8 700 pound steel container 739 00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:53,039 uh that it 740 00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:55,120 serves basically a cheap way to serve 741 00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:56,799 that same purpose 742 00:30:04,549 --> 00:29:59,679 it works yeah they work and it does seem 743 00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:04,559 yeah as if this explains some sort of um 744 00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,159 it combines 745 00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:08,640 with the observer and they become almost 746 00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,480 in an altered state of consciousness 747 00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:12,480 with these natural forces 748 00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:14,960 and something very interesting which has 749 00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,360 taken place recently 750 00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:19,679 is that we have 751 00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,799 for lack of a better word had this 752 00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:24,799 80s and i have not come forward with 753 00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:27,120 this but i have to given given all the 754 00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:28,880 points that you're hitting 755 00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:32,240 all right um we had this 8 700 pound 756 00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:33,600 container 757 00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,440 mysteriously moved and this is a an area 758 00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:39,200 i mean there's cameras everywhere 759 00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:41,679 constantly recording the cameras went 760 00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:45,120 down in this 8 700 pound container 761 00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:46,559 basically 762 00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,520 was 763 00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:49,360 moved elevated 764 00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,240 and went from a 765 00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:53,919 east to west 766 00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:58,000 facing direction to a north to south 767 00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:59,919 facing direction 768 00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:01,519 and this 769 00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:05,279 not only fascinated us but also 770 00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:06,320 it is 771 00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:09,200 fairly impossible the electromagnetic 772 00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:12,080 frequencies and other radiation levels 773 00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:13,200 and such 774 00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,480 are just at the point where they're 775 00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:16,480 going down now this happened a little 776 00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:17,840 while ago 777 00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,519 and the container itself became 778 00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:21,600 magnetized now 779 00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:23,679 um just to quickly touch on something 780 00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:25,840 else you mentioned about the military 781 00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:28,159 funding for some of these projects we 782 00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:31,039 have received various 783 00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,600 uh requests i should say by 784 00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:37,679 i gotta be careful here because usually 785 00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:39,760 the military does fund these things 786 00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:40,960 through 787 00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:42,080 um 788 00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:43,679 other corporations either private 789 00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,240 entities or non-profits to kind of have 790 00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,240 that plausible plausible deniability 791 00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:50,720 because that's important in other words 792 00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,600 they they they want to be involved but 793 00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,440 they don't want to get their hands dirty 794 00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:57,360 and i understand that but it's 795 00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:00,880 interesting that you mentioned military 796 00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:03,360 funding possibly with uh pershing and 797 00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:04,720 some of these other 798 00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:05,600 um 799 00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:06,880 similar 800 00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:09,039 uh yeah yeah 801 00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:11,120 so i wanted to get into 802 00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:12,480 um 803 00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:15,440 how did how how did you 804 00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,519 realize or how was it revealed to you 805 00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:19,679 that this may have been militarily 806 00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,519 funded 807 00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,279 well 808 00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:26,000 as i i put in the book that the new one 809 00:32:30,830 --> 00:32:29,279 with andrew the origins of the gods that 810 00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:30,840 back in 811 00:32:36,750 --> 00:32:33,760 1972 i started graduate school in 812 00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:36,760 psychology and my area was called 813 00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:38,559 psychopharmacology which is a study of 814 00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:40,240 how drugs work in the brain we were 815 00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:42,000 doing all kinds of research with drugs 816 00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:44,000 and so on various drugs supplied by the 817 00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,360 us government 818 00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:47,840 uh the drug enforcement enforcement 819 00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:50,159 administration sent them to me but okay 820 00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,039 so 821 00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:53,440 when i got into when i was accepted into 822 00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:55,919 graduate school it was an ms phd program 823 00:33:02,630 --> 00:32:56,799 they 824 00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:02,640 student that was in the ms phd program 825 00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:03,760 had 826 00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:11,519 worked full-time my entire time through 827 00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,960 undergraduate school at the local 828 00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,399 newspapers 829 00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:16,399 in memphis which at that time were very 830 00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:17,600 very big 831 00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,000 uh it was a it was a pretty good job but 832 00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:22,720 i so i had to quit that job that i'd had 833 00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:25,200 for four years at the local newspapers 834 00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,799 and take an assistantship and the 835 00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,039 assistantship i took i told them i can't 836 00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:31,679 take a cheap one i just can't do it like 837 00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:34,480 a teaching one so i got a 838 00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:37,519 uh research assistantship 839 00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,440 that was funded through the office of 840 00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:41,519 naval research 841 00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:43,760 the head of it had been a 842 00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,960 bizarrely a colonel in the u.s army who 843 00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:48,960 was the head of the fort knox research 844 00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,240 institute 845 00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:52,480 so he came to what was then memphis 846 00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:54,880 state university where i was going to 847 00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:56,640 school graduate school 848 00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:59,360 and headed this research project so i 849 00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:02,000 was one of the 850 00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:03,519 one of two 851 00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,640 of the students graduate students who 852 00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:08,320 were the research assistants so we 853 00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:10,720 traveled all over the country 854 00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:14,320 going to u.s navy bases air stations 855 00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:17,359 mainly and testing pilots 856 00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:19,760 so we probably tested i have tried to 857 00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,520 figure it out can't quite remember but 858 00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:22,960 it's in the thousands i think it's 859 00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,119 around it's almost two thousand 860 00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:27,280 different pilots that we tested 861 00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:29,599 long involved story but anyway 862 00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,240 i went to the office of naval research 863 00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:34,879 one time at the very beginning of it i 864 00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:36,879 went with the colonel and the other 865 00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:39,440 assistant uh he went in they were very 866 00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:42,800 friendly to him here i was 21 years old 867 00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,839 uh 868 00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:45,839 basically a hippie type 869 00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,720 long hair uh i had 870 00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:51,119 mushroom t-shirts on if you remember 871 00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,879 what those orange t-shirts they got 872 00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:54,720 mushrooms all over them 873 00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:57,520 i had embroidered jeans all that kind of 874 00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,880 stuff so i was not i didn't go all the 875 00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:02,400 way into the 876 00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:03,760 you know the 877 00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:06,480 dark secret recesses of the office of 878 00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:09,200 naval research at uh pensacola at the 879 00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:10,880 time so 880 00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:13,280 uh i sat out front and was allowed to 881 00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:14,720 walk around i talked to a bunch of 882 00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,640 people and i wound up talking to people 883 00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:18,480 that were about my age that were 884 00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:20,800 research assistants there and we started 885 00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,200 talking to each other about the kind of 886 00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,280 research that we were doing which we 887 00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:27,599 were the main thing that was interesting 888 00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:31,440 to us was what we called i wonder what 889 00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,040 if research 890 00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:35,280 so the example that i always give it's a 891 00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:38,480 true one the dea once sent us 892 00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:41,200 uh a drug which they weren't really sure 893 00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:42,800 what it was going to do called fence 894 00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,680 cyclidine fence cyclidine is the same 895 00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:47,680 thing as pcp 896 00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:49,520 so they sent us the drug my major 897 00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:51,520 professor came in with a vial of it 898 00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,119 after he got it 899 00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:55,280 and he laid it in my desk and he said 900 00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,960 hey why don't you check this out and see 901 00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,400 what it does 902 00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,480 and i said okay so i went and got a rat 903 00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,280 brought it to my office a white lab rat 904 00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,119 i got a small amount of it into a 905 00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:07,119 syringe i injected the rat with it and 906 00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,560 just let it run around on my desk 907 00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,480 because i was doing other stuff and the 908 00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:12,640 rat fell over and ran around in circles 909 00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:15,520 that's a true story so the way that's 910 00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:19,119 worded is this i wonder what if research 911 00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:21,920 it's i wonder what will happen if i 912 00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:25,520 inject this rat with this pcp 913 00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:28,400 and there's an incredible amount of i 914 00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:31,680 wonder what if experiments are done and 915 00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:34,160 a lot of those were being done by the 916 00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:36,880 office of naval research one of which i 917 00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:39,359 believe was the gulf breeze light not 918 00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:41,920 the same thing as the 919 00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,800 the gulf breeze ufo incidents where ed 920 00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:46,560 walters and others you know claim they 921 00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:48,880 took pictures of flying saucers the gulf 922 00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:51,920 breeze light came on after it and my 923 00:36:56,510 --> 00:36:53,839 wife and i went to see the gulf breeze 924 00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:56,520 light i believe the year was 925 00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:59,599 1991 when we went and saw it it had 926 00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:00,800 appeared 927 00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,760 nine straight nights we did see it 928 00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:05,760 got pictures of it but everybody there 929 00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,079 knew what time it was going to appear 930 00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:10,160 they knew where it was going to appear 931 00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:12,320 and they were able to tell me exactly 932 00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:14,560 what it was going to do in the 90 933 00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:16,880 seconds that it was visible there were 934 00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:20,720 104 people there and it when i saw it 935 00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:23,119 and listened to the people got a photo 936 00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:24,079 of it 937 00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:26,720 and it did exactly what they told me it 938 00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:28,079 was going to do 939 00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:29,920 and it really was quite a quite 940 00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:32,240 impressive display but i immediately 941 00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:34,160 started turning around looking at the 942 00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:36,240 hundred and four people there because i 943 00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:37,440 counted them 944 00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,320 and 945 00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,480 i was thinking there's got to be 946 00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,720 somebody here from the office of naval 947 00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:44,960 research with a clipboard probably two 948 00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,280 or three of them and they are doing an 949 00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,119 experiment to see how people are 950 00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:51,359 reacting to this thing 951 00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:53,920 so that was that is an example of what i 952 00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,280 believe was one of their early studies 953 00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,079 uh what what they were 954 00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:02,160 uh the reason that i was certain it was 955 00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,680 the opposite naval research researchers 956 00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:05,760 the light was appearing 957 00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:06,720 over 958 00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,000 eglin air force base which is where the 959 00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:12,720 onr station was at the time 960 00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,079 and 961 00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,160 uh i knew 962 00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:18,400 by finding 963 00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:21,040 their research published in the 964 00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,200 government archives 965 00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:25,200 and it's not they weren't publish it the 966 00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:26,480 navy 967 00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:29,440 and the military don't directly publish 968 00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:31,599 it it is researchers you're right 969 00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:34,720 researchers get grants from them 970 00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:37,680 to do very specific things 971 00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:40,880 and each researcher works kind of in a 972 00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:43,599 bubble and is not aware of what everyone 973 00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:46,160 else is doing so it's like different 974 00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:48,800 aspects of the same sort of research 975 00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:51,920 project are partialed out to different 976 00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:55,440 researchers bit by bit so nobody out 977 00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,920 there gets to see the complete picture 978 00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,440 and you can even get those government 979 00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:01,200 documents and read them and they in the 980 00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:04,079 references they'll often say refer to 981 00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:07,040 uh grant and then a long number with 982 00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:08,880 letters and so on that's what you'll see 983 00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,280 but you have no access to that so it's 984 00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:13,200 stuck on a shelf somewhere you'll never 985 00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:16,079 see but that is how i became aware that 986 00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:18,960 they were working on plasmas 987 00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:21,280 that they had 988 00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:24,480 basically from what they had done in the 989 00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:26,079 ufo field 990 00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:33,359 developing plasma based technology 991 00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:36,560 as weapons as decoys 992 00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:39,920 as ways to control people and there is a 993 00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:43,359 long list of devices that the navy and 994 00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:46,800 the army have developed in in 995 00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:49,760 in cooperation with lots and lots of 996 00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,720 researchers like michael persinger 997 00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:54,400 because they have all of everything 998 00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:56,320 pursing or developed in the years while 999 00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:58,400 he was alive is now 1000 00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:01,520 being used somewhere by the us navy 1001 00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:03,920 everything so that's how i knew that 1002 00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:07,200 these people were being funded by the 1003 00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:10,319 government not necessarily as a military 1004 00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,920 project because the people doing the 1005 00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:13,040 research 1006 00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:14,800 didn't really know exactly where the 1007 00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,119 money was coming from or what it was 1008 00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:19,520 they just didn't know 1009 00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:22,079 such a vivid explanation and such a good 1010 00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,319 way to explain it all because it does 1011 00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:26,160 seem like a lot of this is lost in 1012 00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:27,599 translation 1013 00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:29,599 um 1014 00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:33,040 in the book american cosmic by 1015 00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:35,440 diana posalka i don't know if you've 1016 00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:36,960 read that book 1017 00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:39,359 um there is an interesting character 1018 00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:42,800 named tyler who is a very real person 1019 00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,960 and uh it is interesting that he is 1020 00:40:50,829 --> 00:40:48,720 kind of uh 1021 00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:50,839 attributed with 1022 00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,680 deriving uh 1023 00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:55,839 or tapping into 1024 00:41:06,550 --> 00:40:56,720 a 1025 00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:06,560 the process by which this is 1026 00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:09,520 consummated is kind of impossible to 1027 00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,839 accomplish he he accomplishes these 1028 00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:13,680 impossible feats 1029 00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,319 and he could not exactly document or 1030 00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,240 describe the process with which they 1031 00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:20,880 were gained and a lot of this is due to 1032 00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:23,680 this type of research that seems to be 1033 00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:25,359 somewhat fringe 1034 00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,280 interestingly you mentioned these plasma 1035 00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:29,760 intelligences and the government 1036 00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,640 and 1037 00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:32,960 a researcher that i've been in contact 1038 00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:35,200 with for a very long time mr jacques 1039 00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:36,319 valet 1040 00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:39,040 uh i remember him telling me of a 1041 00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:41,359 situation a scenario i can't go into all 1042 00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:44,319 the details but he did say that he had a 1043 00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,319 bag placed on his head and he was taken 1044 00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:48,560 into one of these labs 1045 00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:50,240 and he 1046 00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:52,400 purported to see 1047 00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:55,280 something that he had never seen before 1048 00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,520 which seemed intelligent it was floating 1049 00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:01,359 and 1050 00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:05,119 very much would fall into this realm of 1051 00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:06,960 uh phenomenon 1052 00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:07,760 so 1053 00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:14,560 such as jacques uh was again as you said 1054 00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:15,760 this is very 1055 00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,720 compartmentalized he was told you're not 1056 00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:20,640 there for you're not here for that 1057 00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,520 you're here for this to work on this 1058 00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,280 um when they reached out to him and it 1059 00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,079 was another specific task which has to 1060 00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:30,960 be infuriating as a researcher but 1061 00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,520 i find that these intrepid researchers 1062 00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:35,599 and investigators 1063 00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,800 they as long as they know they're 1064 00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,560 working on capturing the mystery 1065 00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:40,800 somewhat they they play ball 1066 00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:43,920 and um it's informative but i think 1067 00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:46,319 that's very impressive 1068 00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:50,160 that that connection is made between 1069 00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,400 these actually being utilized in some 1070 00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:54,720 way shape or form especially given 1071 00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,960 the fact that we have 1072 00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:58,880 since declassified 1073 00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,319 information um relating to utah and the 1074 00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:04,800 uintah basin such as the advanced 1075 00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:07,119 aerospace weapon system applications 1076 00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,319 program 1077 00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,319 uh the advanced aerospace threat 1078 00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:12,480 identification 1079 00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:14,079 program atip 1080 00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:17,280 these are u.s government 1081 00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:18,720 programs 1082 00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:20,079 and 1083 00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:24,720 it does seem as if there is 1084 00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:34,150 i find it amazing that um to kind of tie 1085 00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:36,400 that that thought up 1086 00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:38,960 when robert bigelow was asked i believe 1087 00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:42,319 it was on a 60 minutes video 1088 00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:43,760 or segment 1089 00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,240 you know here you are a very successful 1090 00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:48,560 businessman mr bigelow 1091 00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:51,520 and you believe in aliens does that make 1092 00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:54,079 you embarrassed or 1093 00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:55,920 are you worried people will think less 1094 00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:56,960 of you 1095 00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:59,280 and he was quoted saying 1096 00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,520 i don't care what people think these 1097 00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:04,000 intelligences are here right under our 1098 00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:05,200 noses 1099 00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:06,720 were you able to watch that and what 1100 00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,520 were your thoughts of that comment 1101 00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:11,680 well it appears we've had some extreme 1102 00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:13,920 technical difficulties the zoom link 1103 00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:17,040 went down i have been able to get a hold 1104 00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:18,000 of him 1105 00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,319 through other methods of communication 1106 00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:22,800 electronically i've tried 1107 00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,040 everything but the pathway to 1108 00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,880 communication has been severed 1109 00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,119 unfortunately but that's okay we were 1110 00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:31,359 just wrapping up and uh 1111 00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,480 that goes with the territory 1112 00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,960 well something interesting has occurred 1113 00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:38,720 as sometimes 1114 00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:41,680 happens when discussing these topics 1115 00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:44,560 we've run into some extreme technical 1116 00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:46,079 difficulties 1117 00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:49,920 i lost mr little um via our zoom link 1118 00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:52,400 and i could not get a hold of him 1119 00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,880 through other channels of communication 1120 00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:56,240 either 1121 00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,720 and these these things happen 1122 00:45:02,470 --> 00:45:00,240 but uh 1123 00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:02,480 i pretty much wanted to round up the 1124 00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:04,160 conversation 1125 00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:06,880 with promoting mr little's 1126 00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:07,839 books 1127 00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:10,560 and all of the work that he has done 1128 00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:13,200 origin of the gods is available on 1129 00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:14,720 amazon 1130 00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:17,680 and it is something that should really 1131 00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:21,280 be purchased if you are interested 1132 00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:24,319 in shamanism native american religion 1133 00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:27,680 ufos ancient and controversial knowledge 1134 00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:30,319 this book is a stunner it explores how 1135 00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:33,440 our ancestors used shamanic rituals 1136 00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:36,319 at sacred sites to create portals for 1137 00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:38,000 communication with non-human 1138 00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,400 intelligences 1139 00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:42,480 it shares supporting evidence from the 1140 00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:44,319 spiritual and shamanic beliefs of more 1141 00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:47,760 than 100 native american tribes it also 1142 00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:49,839 shows how the earliest forms of 1143 00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:52,960 shamanism began at sites 1144 00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:55,119 in israel more than four hundred 1145 00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:56,720 thousand years ago 1146 00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,680 goes from gobegli tepi and turkey to the 1147 00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,359 egyptian pyramids 1148 00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,079 from the stone circles of europe to the 1149 00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:06,880 mound complexes of the americas 1150 00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:09,920 gregory little and andrew collins 1151 00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:12,079 show how again and again 1152 00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:14,960 our ancestors built permanent sites of 1153 00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:17,920 ceremonial activity where geomagnetic 1154 00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:20,160 and gravitational anomalies 1155 00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:21,760 have been recorded 1156 00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:24,079 they investigate how the earliest forms 1157 00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:27,599 of animism and shamanism began at sites 1158 00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:30,960 like the dinosaur cave in the altia 1159 00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:33,760 mountains of siberia and kesem cave in 1160 00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:36,640 israel more than 400 000 years ago 1161 00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,720 explaining how shamanic rituals and 1162 00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,119 altered states of consciousness 1163 00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:43,359 combined with the natural forces of the 1164 00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:46,560 earth to create portals for contact with 1165 00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,000 other worldly realms in other words the 1166 00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:52,640 gods of our ancestors were the result of 1167 00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:54,960 an interaction between human 1168 00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:57,440 consciousness and trans-dimensional 1169 00:47:02,150 --> 00:46:59,040 intelligences 1170 00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:02,160 be sure to go to amazon and pick up 1171 00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:04,480 origins of the gods 1172 00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:08,560 it is worth every penny and it discusses 1173 00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:10,720 skin walkers and contact with 1174 00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,240 trans-dimensional intelligences 1175 00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:16,880 again apologies for these strange 1176 00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:18,880 happenings at the end of the podcast 1177 00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:20,559 these things happen i know we were just 1178 00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:21,839 wrapping up 1179 00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:24,800 but that's this functions in a way of 1180 00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:26,319 how these 1181 00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:28,720 these things happen it's hard to explain 1182 00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:30,800 some of these things and 1183 00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,119 we've noticed this at space wolf 1184 00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:35,440 research the base camp there in the 1185 00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:36,880 uintah basin 1186 00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:39,839 and we've noticed this in alternative 1187 00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:42,720 alternative areas of research 1188 00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:45,280 so i guess it's just uh part of the 1189 00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,720 territory 1190 00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:48,319 gregory little 1191 00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:49,280 is 1192 00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:55,839 and 1193 00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:57,920 you know it's funny that he thought he 1194 00:48:01,589 --> 00:48:00,480 was being tangential yet all of the 1195 00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:01,599 topics 1196 00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:04,640 that he was delving into were exactly 1197 00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,200 where i wanted to go and 1198 00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:09,520 it just happened to work that way 1199 00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,640 i'm very happy to have had him on please 1200 00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:14,800 check out his work his other books as 1201 00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:18,240 well and pick up a copy of origins of 1202 00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,319 the gods 1203 00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:22,720 if you would like more hero paranormal 1204 00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:26,240 podcast content please subscribe 1205 00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:28,960 at hero paranormal on the pod 1206 00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:33,359 bean app or go to heroparanormal.com 1207 00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:35,599 also there is a ton of content at 1208 00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,800 patreon look for hero paranormal at 1209 00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:40,319 patreon 1210 00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:43,280 when you subscribe and support the 1211 00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,240 podcast there is a lot more 1212 00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:48,880 until next time keep your eyes to the 1213 00:49:02,520 --> 00:48:51,359 skies 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